Rachel Maddow: -- 10 years he was chancellor. And the same agents in the Hitler government, operating through the same channels, was doing both of those things simultaneously. May 8, 2013. The Rachel Maddow Show - 11/21/22. I feel like this idea that we're dealing with pro-authoritarian impulses on the right as connected to electoral politics, that being some sort of unprecedented challenge, it doesn't feel unprecedented to me. By Juli Weiner. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible anti-fascist pamphlet put together by an American christian minister to counter the work of the Christian Front fascist gang, he tweeted. Then, its them. Rachel Maddow: I love that, but it takes a lot of work. But I do think that the power that he has over his listeners and the power he has to influence events makes him fall in love with the idea of the strong man as the savior --. Chris Hayes: Pearl Harbor happens, the war happens. The political commentator Chris was born on February 28, 1979. Chris Hayes: Its a real shoot the Moon strategy. So I'm glad that history is written, but there's another way to write this history rather than just saying, oh, these poor defendants, they never should have been put on trial. Chris Hayes: -- you play the Coughlin, its like even if it was in a language I can understand, I'm (ph) like, I think I know probably what hes ranting about. Chris Hayes discusses All In and recent politics. Rachel Maddow: Really not clear that youre going to be able to get against the Oath Keepers? Chris Hayes: So here's the thing, so we're going to get in the topic, but what was so striking to me, and this sort of goes back to what I was trying to get at the monologue, there is just this inimitable thing. Chris Hayes: And, yes, I think it's a really important thing that I've learned also, like if someone sends an e-mail or sends a note saying, like, the thing you said in the monologue this morning when you were just talking it through, like, isn't quite right, you kind of missed this. And he gets locked up for embezzling from the German American Bund because, I mean --, Rachel Maddow: -- one of the historic truths that you keep bumping up against is that a lot of people who have fascist and authoritarian impulses and move in these directions, theyre also grifters and --. I'm not spoiling it. The combination of those things is something that the Justice Department tried to tackle through a mass sedition trial in 1944. Rachel Maddow: -- stockpiling bombs and detailed plans. Like, oh, dont worry too much about what youre hearing about the supposed Jews being supposedly persecuted. It's about thinking about the way the mind works, right? Rachel Maddow: Yeah. I love that scientific part of it. Chris Hayes: So the broad contours of this, and again they're individual stories and I want to keep that narrative suspense --, Chris Hayes: -- is about essentially, like, fascist sympathies in the United States in the run-up to World War II. I mean, theres a couple of things here. January 17th is when they got arrested. pic.twitter.com/h6uNdmCT2q, Aldous Huxleys Ghost (@AF632) October 5, 2022, TexZeus (@vinnieoftexas_) October 4, 2022. It's like, well, I have an 18-month and they're up all night, so I'm tired all the time. And the thing that I thought was beautiful about this is that, at the end of this whole thing, exposing the Christian Front and talking about how theyre essentially --. By Alex Wagner? And then everyone starts doing it differently or some people try to do it differently, even if they're not quite as good. And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. 42:33. According to the Daily Beast, Maddow's new contract would allow her more. Is that a story about authoritarianism? And that was part of what was hard about drafting the podcast because you could do the whole thing on Coughlin and the Christian Front, right? So you get that name. Huey Long, of course, was assassinated, which is what put an end to his political career. Lundeen gets run out of literally on a rail out of his congressional district for opposing World War I, which is a very different thing than opposing World War II --, And what I find fascinating about is like the ideological trajectory of these figures around this time and how people navigate through, once everything is presented is on the table, right? And then, you know, it's one of these things where the story you end up learning, even at a relatively high level of sophistication in American history, is like, what comes out the other end, which is that we liberate --. I mean, obviously it's your voice, and you have a very good voice technically, but a Rachel Maddow way of telling a story that happens in this podcast where it's like, "I'm in it. So that's telling --. And his training is all in the clan, right. Right. Chris Hayes: That, like, a lot of times you come in, you're talking to a spouse or a friend or a therapist, and you're, like, talking about things in your life. So, but that gets only (ph) --. Theyre only being persecuted now as payback for all the evil things they have done, social justice. The game operated a certain way. So we start off with the story of the senator who you've never heard of. When I go on vacation, I take Twitter off my phone and I don't know what's happening in the world. In the first quarter of 2015, "The Rachel Maddow Show" was ranked 26th among all cable news shows. And they sent a sort of wunderkind prosecutor down to Louisiana. I communicate for a living. They really like fascist rhetoric. In addition to Maddow, Brian Williams is talking about leaving his program "The 11th Hour" when his contract expires in the next six months, according to sources who say he wants to end the late-night gig. Chris Hayes: You know, we have D-Day. Like, wait a second, how does this happen? I think that our professional and civic and religious institutions can be strong but can also be heard. Is that a story about American fascism? Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. Rachel Maddow: Thanks for being so nice. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? Previous Post. Because these are fascist thugs --. In the "National Day of Racial Healing: An MSNBC Town Hall," MSNBC's Chris Hayes, Joy Reid and Trymaine Lee talk with activists, journalists, artists and experts to explore the harm racism has caused in our society, and to consider how we might heal from it. It's the most --. And I've been kind of like champing at bit of, like, OK, what do we do here? Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. I think that American activism waxes and wanes and is maybe less robust on this front than it was in the '30s and '40s, in this time that Im writing about. You can focus on any one of them. I feel done. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good booze ballad. Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. As a bonus for "The Rachel Maddow Show" listeners, Rachel joins Chris Hayes on "Why Is This Happening? Are you a prosecutor working in the southern district of New York whos, you know, deciding whether or not the FBI thats not interested in these things could be trusted to infiltrate these groups or whether or not youre going to tap these outside activist groups and take their information to build your prosecution around? Rachel Maddow: Weve got fascist antisemitic thugs who are echoing the Hitler line. Chris Hayes: Wait, what's the story? Chris Hayes: Let's talk about Ernest Lundeen --. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. Chris Hayes: Having to do with, like, a pro-Nazi --, Doni Holloway: World War II era in America --, Chris Hayes: Yeah. Back in August, the Hollywood Reporter and the Daily Beast reported that Maddow signed a new multi-year deal with MSNBC. Its, to me, a bigger truth to realize there was a whole lot of them, and they were all meeting those needs in different ways. Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. Search it up, thats what my kids say. His father-in-law is veteran Chicago reporter Andy Shaw. Rachel Maddow: Rachel wrote a fiction podcast? You say like, "Oh, today's Father Coughlin.". When youre not on the confines of, like, well, were liberal democracy and what should the tax rate be, but rather how should we order all of society, fascist, communist, liberal democracy, people take this very interesting --, Chris Hayes: -- ideological journeys, I mean --. And the Hitler government simultaneously supporting both native fascist and German fascist movements in this country that were plotting a violent overthrow of the U.S. Government. And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. It ends up being very handy. Is that a story about, you know, how populism and fascism and accountability can crash in ways that are very troubling in terms of the actions of the Justice Department? If you listen to Bagman, it'll be familiar, but it's also different and new. Chris Hayes: Well, this is part of what makes this so interesting. The effort to replace Hayes has been complicated by three factors: First, Lack has been too busy trying to relaunch MSNBC -- and the career of Brian Williams, the former NBC Nightly News anchor . And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. Sometimes it's like there are exogenous factors. He's an unlikely success at MSNBC, coming from the relatively small world of left-wing magazines as an editor of The Nation and a socialist newspaper in Chicago before that. Not one of them touched the green pepper he'd cut up for. Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, journalist, podcaster, producer, and author who has a net worth of $6 million. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Chris Hayes: -- because its like, look, well, it turned around in the end. I would say that theres a recognizably fascist cadence, like theres a certain tenor and cadence and rhythm --, Chris Hayes: -- to fascist incitement and then --. He hates the bankers, which then, you know, one notch past that, right? Last week, Maddow confirmed reports that she planned. But the effort to force a resolution to it through the criminal law and through the courts didn't work. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. And I'm hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who've done it well can give us some energy. 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Doni, do you remember what you told him? There were 130 million Americans in terms of our population at the time, 30 million of them every week were listening to him. Rachel Maddow: And its like, you know what, Francis Sweeney, you know, I dont know if there ought to be a statue to you, but I definitely want to read a lot more about you and know --. That happened. Rachel Maddow: And he's calling for Christians to boycott Jewish businesses and saying that America, he, as Father Coughlin, takes the path of fascism. Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. Like, you're getting the name of the senator. Rachel Maddow: I was going to say, we're going to get a call from Mr. Stern, yeah. B, you can petition your local city council and police to take action within the existing law and without violating the right of free speech against the incitements to riot from the Christian Front. In her past career, Shaw clerked in the Supreme Court for. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. So I started working on that, ended up in this place where I was looking at sort of the origins of American Holocaust denial, which has always been sort of an interest for me as well. Right --. . And I want to learn your sort of lessons about how to live in the face of these kinds of threats. Chris Hayes: It's fascinating, theres clips of Coughlin in the show. Chris Hayes: You know, then we went to war and then we beat the Nazis. Rachel Maddow: -- who's (ph) Trump's inaugural chairman, as (ph) being a secret foreign agent. MSNBC's Chris Hayes Posts Photo with Rachel Maddow, Then Users Notice Symbol Next to Them By Jack Davis October 6, 2022 at 8:34am The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. 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