Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? You must log in or register to reply here. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. Mag. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Another vote for 7 rem mag. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. . Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. ADG 300 PRC Brass. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Buy Now. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Thanks. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. 6.5 PRC. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. . I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. This rings home with me. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. All rights reserved. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. I wanted an every day backpacking Coues rifle that could do sheep, bears, caribou, goats and the occasional backpacking elk hunt if needed. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. These are some impressive numbers. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. .280 AI hands-down. Mag. That's how gun control works.". at the muzzle. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. Full-magnum action long. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. I did 7remmag. It does have a dark side, though. SAUM can be found on the . Minuteman. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. . A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. Mag. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Amazing bc too for the weight. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. And in the chambers of their rifles. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Full Member. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. My Saum is on a med length action and was a full tilt everything I wanted build. for my brand of hunting. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Either is good. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. LRHTB. Im in the market to start a new build. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. 224 Valkyrie. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Qty: Add to cart . Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Cartridge: 7 RUM. We use cookies to make your experience better. Mag. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. Mag. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. $81.95. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. Both are great rounds. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. factory 7mm Rem. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. 7mm SAUM vs 7mm Rem Mag | Full Comparison 24,889 views Sep 12, 2020 306 Dislike Share Save GunFather Precision 6.7K subscribers To answer a question I regularly get asked here is a full. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. This calls for a light rifle. Mag. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. 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It may not display this or other websites correctly. bullet wins the wind deflection category. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. Mag. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. You are using an out of date browser. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Buy Now. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Diver160651 Who cares. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. ammo. Most people are getting sub half moa. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. JavaScript is disabled. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . I went 7SAUM. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. ADG 28 Nosler. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. My vote would be 7RM as well. You are using an out of date browser. Guys report great brass life with belted cases. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. . Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . 7mm RemMag. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. Ban sober drivers from driving. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. $89.95. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. 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